Perm September 14, 2008, Mr. accident Boeing-737-500. In this file photos from the crash site, collected from the media etc., and the most interesting is the radio exchange, but this I have not heard.
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Grieve! Pity! But where are the photos wheelsets train is quite a different opera! Gathering ended with the ways they nebylo!
− ValeRo,
16 years ago,
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+1
Guys! Well Haha this done? Take and record of negotiations to put your own mix? First, do not go well, especially in the air, only to voice what they saw next fur-bearing animal under the name "fox". And in the second. Listen attentively. Each output of the crew on the air in a low background can be heard the sound of the cockpit instruments. In the "message" about the clerk at all other background sounds. Nahr so to do? A?
− tserg,
16 years ago,
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It is a matter to whom?
− susanin,
16 years ago,
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Maybe I do not understand, but why deny the fact that the pilot wanted to say at the last moment chtoto App ... explain ... but seeing "animal" and could only be called from the fear and expectations of the death of his name - "clerk"?
− Melaxen,
16 years ago,
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Let the earth will air the second, the rest of the land down ...
− Melaxen,
16 years ago,
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+1
Ohrinet ...!!! I got the impression that the pilot was inadequate, ie drunk ...
− wegass,
16 years ago,
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It should contain their impressions and compare with the facts and then draw conclusions.
− -=Maestro=-,
16 years ago,
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This summer flew c7 and there KBC also spoke slowly, but it means nothing.
− -=Maestro=-,
16 years ago,
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I did not insist ... that assumption.
− wegass,
16 years ago,
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-1
I agree with "inadequate", according to pronunciation, phrases, not the orientation of radio, but not drunk but rather fatigue? According to my information bubulki Pilot are on the number of completed flights, and chased them oh not detstski, 3-4 route of the day, though short (Chelyaba Moscow for example) but the pancake is how much voltage should be (((airline tvritsya chtoto incomprehensible, and yet they're after profits, the pilots fly as negros, from sun up to sun ... HZ how to fix it, probably do not need to be greedy, as it can guide airlines to review safety policies, such as a turkish Air, but still will not do for the mind, it is better not to be ... Z. Y. Again, this is just my opinion ... The bright memory of the dead, and the hand of support to the bereaved ...
− DED-CHEL,
16 years ago,
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Take our El-Al ... We pilots have not yet held stopitstsot tests and interviews are not Carry on a plane ... and the number of hours per day strictly uchityvaetstso ... was recently the case when the FAC missed, turning over the mountains, that fishing rod nearly puknulsya ... second pilot noticed my fishing rod and landed normally .. We reported this news broadcast ... INTO so if there opasnast, no matter who you are in the cockpit, but you must prevent the catastrophe ....
− tranzit_il,
16 years ago,
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Brad! 100% falsified! FAC normal voice at first and then as a mixer! We have not been there GOD of mercy and not for us to judge! ETERNAL MEMORY OF ALL! Head ASK "Berkut" Kaliningrad.
− baltika555,
16 years ago,
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Yeah, I do not know that already there was a FAC-ohm but the fact that he was not adequate for a fact!
− Когалым,
15 years ago,
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Are you sure that it was inadequate and that you have not slipped, "lime." Personally, I am 100 percent not sure.
− von_Stierlitz,
15 years ago,
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I'm not saying 100%! Still we do not know the truth, I'm not saying that he was 100% drunk or obkurenny! It found that traces of alcohol, well, not necessarily the same that he had been drinking before the flight!
− Когалым,
15 years ago,
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http://letitbit.net/download/85607.854207f641dfb55fd47ec263269bce9a2/Pravila_i_frazeologiya_radioobmena.pdf.html radoobmen
− micd,
15 years ago,
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KAMAZ sell nearly new, turn on sms 500baksov and find out more))
− sereb,
15 years ago,
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+1
buy! Money sent by MMS, so right now the current sfotkayu Bucks.
− paladdin,
15 years ago,
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1
in 50 years will know the truth, MB, so let me shoot moderators ....
− KieMan,
16 years ago,
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5
Kopec guys sorry for what is now the difference is that there was a FAC-ohm, I doubt that he was drunk, and 100% podderdivayu view Ektock-a but silly now all spend too much time, boys were killed, with passengers, they are not return.
− pro100gamer,
16 years ago,
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Ah yes, five fots-in for the effort.
− pro100gamer,
16 years ago,
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whom I got here so that someone is commenting on my less forever?)
− pro100gamer,
16 years ago,
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policy ....
− KieMan,
16 years ago,
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5
The fact remains that the body was found KVSa ethyl alcohol fact, but it does not mean that Owned because of that, he was in such a Condition ... The airline argues that the pilot was caught in the devices ... With many factors to change it that he helped the second with an autopilot plus state plus the fact that he had recently transferred to a foreign car ... Colleagues say that he worked in front of these 4 consecutive nights did not sleep well after such a lot to drink and not have so grew weak cool ... Alcohol fatigue especially if little sleep is a dangerous thing ... Five put in the work of the author of what collected all in one ...
− Melaxen,
16 years ago,
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5
I think that this record radio is very useful for analysis along with the official record of the MAC: http://www.mak.ru/russian/investigations/2008/vp-bko_report.pdf I am not a doctor and not a pilot, but my impression that the FAC just felt bad for health, and with every minute - at the level of heart attack or stroke, but not because of the hypothetical intake of alcohol. This is how much should Zorov big young peasants to take (and when and where? - In front of his crew?) That even in difficult times, when people trezveet reluctant even to speak with difficulty, and not to act on their reflexes ... No, I think the FAC was on the verge of losing consciousness on health, and even the inadequate voice before the flight had already talked about this attack. Then - I agree that everything in the text, on the report: the existence of a serious defect of the board - raznotyaga, the complication circuit approach, nervous tension and razbaltyvanie machine. All right, all the conclusions of the MAC must be implemented. And the general impression from listening to it was very difficult: you know what ended that 88 more people to live and live, and nothing can help ... Eternal Memory, the earth down!
− Ektock,
16 years ago,
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Ohohoh again, tales, and again these revelations, and where you just take it, eh? "No doctor, not a pilot" - and diagnosed. Counsel then chtol? "Impression", "bad, heart attack, stroke, seizure onset" ... Yeah, yeah, and another bird was shot down .... There are clear instructions on the subject of "pilot fell ill - he was disqualified from the management and control passes to whom" good ". The other is not given. And here NINADA slobbering posts about that "sorry birdie. There are instructions - carry, do not anyone blanch. The next time you fly, and there pelota "sploheet" and what are you?. Cheto now lay mats at the three-story addition pelota strength enough, and the rest - "oh, we have not." Yes buhoy was FAC, boo-ho th. "Dap same nada drink big guy? And you lope? Or you do not "healthy"? And this is good to bear a blizzard. Storyteller, eptyt. I looked here - half of the site of the storytellers, and to each other fairy tales tell each other matyukayut and then protect from those who just laughs over the "storytellers". Oh ... Petrosyan rest ... "Raznotyaga, complication of the sunset .. Poor dancer every way. That's what a "Pelot," Shobe cope with raznotyagami "yes" complex scheme ", otherwise tries out the autopilot welded together, bound - and let them flying robots, and pelota blooze go.
− paladdin,
15 years ago,
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That's a bit of fairy tales - >>>"... even in difficult times, when a person involuntarily trezveet ,..." - Well, Duck FAC and sober (XLI) for 3 seconds of the earth. On-oochen clearly and soberly shouted - "Pease # er." Mdaa ... At no fairy tale - at the bitter truth. And God forbid, be on a similar plane with the crew. Slovenliness is, was and will be found everywhere. Bitter and then listen to these recordings here. Just bitter and ashamed, ashamed of the fact that there are such people, in general, undermine the very profession of pilot. In the distant past (though not so far) - if you're a pilot, then all the girls running after you, was the image of romance and other slobbering chiaroscuro, okutanoy sparkling halo. And now? Now - pelota. Because like these here ...
− paladdin,
15 years ago,
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without evaluation ... I was just in shock ... Well there is no way .... mere gesture ... okay that would be 1 * 4 ... but boeng 737 ... avtolend there, all sorts of things shtop prevent the error of the crew ... pile of electronics ... Well how can that be?? Yes there have been cases when the planes without engines vasche planted (see National Geographic) ... and then just dropped my fishing rod ... let all the earth will rest in peace .... imagine that experienced pasazhiry .... if the ordinary U-turn and landing manually when the weather is bad stomach begs out .... ept .. There are no words ...
− tranzit_il,
16 years ago,
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Audio on the first link in Google weighs 3Mb. Photos, including Forum participants are on the forum, including with commentaries. Last year in all possible topics already discussed everything inside and out, and similar topics are subject to closure. All information is freely available in the form of an official report. Want sensationalism - please contact the MP or on NTV. Evaluate the quality of work or, in some cases, the interest that represents its content => authors of the materials used to thank for their existence, regardless of quality, practical necessity, but to express its views for those who have not yet done in the presence of this file and discussion on the site do not see. Especially in the section "Video from the cockpit." Set minuses. With respect
− nio,
16 years ago,
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you are not smart ... then you are not off version and full version of negotiations with VAR .... there and inglishe S‚RѕR¶ was .... ie complete picture of the disaster ... FAC can run down ... about alcohol, I do not govryu (although not impossible) ... To change from just a carcass on boeng flown by 1000 (figuratively) hours in a simulator / crafting ..... is not serious .. no Western campaign this would not be allowed ... for office version is a mistake FAC .....
− tranzit_il,
16 years ago,
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Actually it's a catastrophe and not an accident ..
− CCCP-11156,
16 years ago,
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Not stavte + Let's forget this as a bad dream ...
− CCCP-11156,
16 years ago,
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5
Only a doctor can read what is written by another physician, and only the pilot and the VAR can understand what is in the air said another pilot or VAR. Hence the conclusion: inadequate everything here except the pilot. Pilot - not the announcer on the radio, he tries not need skorrrogovorrrki clatter. A yellow writings have always written and will write. Intrigue, even the most Gauvin, stupid and obviously rigged, is in demand.
− Gennn,
16 years ago,
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in the old days, pilots on admission were tested for diction of physical fitness, I do not like now.
− DAR,
16 years ago,
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And you listen as simmery online to converse, is no different: http://www.avsim.su/f/raznoe-video-93/vatsim-video-uudd-control-21924.html?action=viewonline
− Gennn,
16 years ago,
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Pull here Oleg Teslenko and discussion picked up noticeably. And in general, fots, send these materials to the MAC, "men do not know"
− Stolzing,
16 years ago,
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Guys know. But their task so that you do not know.
− susanin,
16 years ago,
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I did not notice any contradictions and "white spots" in the report. If it is, of course, is not neatly written in free composition. And then, it is hardly "awl" be hidden in a bag - the ill-fated crew of colleagues never questioned the commission's findings, on the contrary. Personally, I have not seen. There is also the concept of professional solidarity: if these two had been slandered, it would be high up on the whole GA
− Stolzing,
16 years ago,
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Report to delaetsya and that there were no white spots. They write specialists. And any hi ... I do not remember that in our country has ever raised high.
− susanin,
16 years ago,
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I think the whole excitement continues because of the fact that no published record CVR (regrettably, Russia's habit classify all). By the way, because it not only deciphered with the help of specialists to write reports, but the pilots colleagues. They would have become silent, if then made black white? I personally do not believe in universal cowardice and meanness in relation to the deceased crew.
− Stolzing,
16 years ago,
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And to comment on this record was published the next day (or two) after the crash, the dispatcher (the one on record) officially confirmed its dostovrenost and zomboyaschiku and through major online news tapes.'s Voice is difficult to argue about - it's different for everyone, can pilot simply on its own brakes or even a million and a half reasons, what he says is illegible - not the fact that he is tired or under shofe.
− Mockut,
16 years ago,
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most incomprehensible phrase: 06:21, turn right, the return rate of planting, planting a return rate of 032, a U-turn on him, they began to leave when the plane was moving to the south, that is, a U-turn they provernulis around the tail, like this maneuver orbit called, then this is not the orbit of some sort, why they left the dispatcher did not let?
− DAR,
16 years ago,
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Why, when the plane was moving south? They came under the scheme Mendeleevo 4Bravo. Gone are the long-range drive 21 bands dovernuli in Uzbekistan. The band was free, and the VAR, as I understand them quickly krutanut decided to return to the third planting.
− 4beer,
16 years ago,
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DAR, read the report of the IAC, where everything is clear with a U-turn.
− mikuz,
16 years ago,
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Remove all this ... read disgusting
− Demоn,
16 years ago,
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9 min 54 sec stranger's voice says "does not change course!" With all due respect to the MAC there's something not finished ..
− LeXXX,
16 years ago,
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-1
This "outsider's voice - voice informant, saying" bank angle ". Where did you hear "course"?
− FireFly,
16 years ago,
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9 min 54 sec speech triggered alarm limit heel "Bank angle".
− darius,
16 years ago,
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You have that hard of hearing hard time??
− LeXXX,
16 years ago,
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LeXXX, you got me angry. And in this state I love ukatyvat gonoristyh and opinionated, so not too lazy zatrat 5 minutes. Here's your "does not change course!" Http://www.megaupload.com/?d=B636QRB9 Specially for you on cycle 3 times. Meet "proof" on teron.ru, and greetings.
− FireFly,
16 years ago,
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Hearing everything is fine! And on this occasion can be a long time to argue! There is a formal conclusion, the MAC, and point.
− darius,
16 years ago,
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People who have something heard or imagined it, as a rule seek to inculcate their errors throughout the world.
− FireFly,
16 years ago,
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if it was an accident ....
− DAR,
16 years ago,
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nightmare.
− AN72,
16 years ago,
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5
well done, lad. sorry for the people and their relatives
− Nonius,
16 years ago,
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horror. very hard to listen to the end of the recording. can not imagine what still feels the shock and the dispatcher. R·S‹ silent about the relatives, it is all by itself very seriously. zyy not appreciate at all, but for work 5 - to the eternal memory of the victims.
− mega1,
16 years ago,
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3
quality performance is good, but whether to make such a hit when people? Maybe in a different experience than the commercials to fill ...?
− DED-CHEL,
16 years ago,
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I repeat, the word accident is not appropriate.
− DAR,
16 years ago,
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The kingdom of heaven ..
− Phantom,
16 years ago,
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Shocked ...
− Oleg22,
16 years ago,
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Rebyata.Posle such debates sometimes you want to be 1 minute in the booth and see what all happened ... but still, they carried the secret with him, and no media and / or "witnesses" will not tell you what happened at the case. Maybe, just watch this video, do for ourselves some conclusions and not reopen the soul of the deceased and their relatives.
− Fireworker,
16 years ago,
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-1
Just a nightmare. Listened and shivers on the skin ...
− lis73,
16 years ago,
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-5
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Dmitriy_ED (1 second ago): Tired of voice and inadequate response to specific points in that situation - they are different things! You eyes open .... virtual pilots. Check out (DO NOT LISTEN!) Some points of the conclusions of "Poppy". Yes, many real commanders listened to .... say at once - drunk! But where and how he added, it's on his conscience left. Do not back those whom he killed! And he did it when drunk or in connection with fatigue ............ do not even want to think about such COMMANDER! In any case, ERROR his name! The simpler the plane, the greater the negligence of the crew. This is a fact!
− Dmitriy_ED,
16 years ago,
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So no one is he in the cabin .., judging by the voice of the second - there were sober ... at what a professional pilot.
− SVT,
16 years ago,
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That is, he drank straight at the controls? A second pour.
− susanin,
16 years ago,
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-1
Dear Dmitriy_ED, judging from all the names you have conducted the investigation of the disaster, and from the aircraft your employee who reported to whom and how much was pouring. Do not judge others - ye be not judged.
− Clean Sky,
16 years ago,
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I want to believe that this whole radiobmen one of the falsification of our time .. country of the next, for example, I co-pilot and cap a little bit not in itself Haha then burn your team and let him radiobmen? Clearly audible, as the second suggests that a captain at the time radiobmena, so he knew better what to say, and some messages he himself said it is confident cheerful voice, why did he not lead the whole radiobmen? I am sure that "not workable" the captain would be only too glad of such assistance, and watching movies is a lot of cabs in 70% of the exchange is the second. And the last phrase - "Oh, pi @ zdets!" I think during the confusion Nifiga not to sent to the foul air, usually on the entire mat recorders remains .. Looks like the cool direction, with the aim eaten in secret is the real reasons. Another point, usually after each accident record radio emerges from the fans, with sites such as "radioskaner.ru", and this as I understand it emerged from official sources? And one more thing .. I have had several communications with the "accent" like my wife .. but then I could not even stand up, it's not a bottle during the stormy night .. on the idea of such a person would have to fall close to the aircraft before departure and sweet sleep. In my opinion we once again together at @ Bali ...
− SVT,
16 years ago,
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that smoke?
− aiRoNe,
16 years ago,
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Marlboro filter plus ..., and not proud of it, simply reply to your question.)
− SVT,
16 years ago,
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hardly buhoy - more like a tired
− mega1,
16 years ago,
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But what Tepr much difference .. just this exchange right on 110% trying to convince us of the inadequacy of the captain, so that doubts remained.
− SVT,
16 years ago,
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Friends, unfortunately, the truth we will probably never know. It is very convenient to say to all: "I'm sorry crew" - who died will not argue. Great misfortune. Eternal memory of all.
− Clean Sky,
16 years ago,
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+2
I totally agree with everything. Math in the air, too, pricked up.
− ekha,
16 years ago,
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What's guess. In fact, there is a detailed record of the MAC, which is even sadder than this record. Link suggest?
− FireFly,
16 years ago,
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The fact that we Borowski .. ali no doubt. On this day, on different channels, different witnesses from different parts of the city said the same thing. The plane fell burning. It is from here took the first version of a fire engine. Then the fire disappeared somewhere. And appeared lethal version. The pilot mistook the right and levo.Verh and bottom. A second pilot?? Also?? Here is a quote from the Permian forum. Vint342: I live on okraene Nagornogo.Segodnya at approximately 5.10 aviatsioony awakened by the roar of the turbine above the roof of his house, the sky came the fiery "fireball" indeterminate forms. Nightmare! I stood in his shorts in the middle of the apartment, the wife is asleep, I do not know where to run as it is to save as to save himself, mentally saying goodbye to their families. Zhest.Potom he fell. Bang strange nebylo. Even signalki the machines did not work. Only in the silence mushroom rose above the houses - above ten-doma.Posmotrel at his watch 5:14. ... .. In Byharevki side, he had already burned. Obviously the first explosion proizoshol much earlier. He flew it was all in flames.
− susanin,
16 years ago,
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Historically, it is proved that the evidence of "numerous witnesses" have a value close to zero. Especially when such a large number of suddenly arises at 5 am.
− FireFly,
16 years ago,
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Da.No not the case when all speak the same.
− susanin,
16 years ago,
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Find marasmus in testimony svideelya "by itself or both? ------------" Today at about 5.10 aviatsioony awakened by the roar of the turbine above the roof of his house, the sky came the fiery "fireball" indeterminate forms. Nightmare! I stood in his shorts in the middle of the apartment, the wife is asleep, I do not know where to run as it is to save as to save himself, mentally saying goodbye to their families. Zhest.Potom he fell. nebylo Bang strange. signalki Even the machines did not work. Only in the stillness of the fungus arose over houses - above ten-doma.Posmotrel at the clock 5:14. "---------
− FireFly,
16 years ago,
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This is not the testimony of a witness. The man wrote on the forum as well as we do. Describes as best he can. This is the main thing. The plane was on fire. Senility, it's about the IAC. Sleeps Max housewives.
− susanin,
16 years ago,
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Dear FOTS, but not to your material then any claim! You all have fun, all that officially dumped beautifully assembled in one work, set-off! I just remember the morning after the accident, all TV channels were talking about fire and the fact that the crew walked away from residential areas and had interviews with witnesses who claimed that something was burning in the sky .. And suddenly forgot completely about the witnesses! Literally on the second day story about "inadequate" in the media began to swim.
− SVT,
16 years ago,
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1. Man does not know how to express their thoughts, as a witness - zero. 2. Moreover, it videtel conscious liar. 3. At the horseradish you false witnesses, when there is a video of falling. Where is the "burning car"? Nothing but glimpsed landing lights and the flash explosion. 4. In the role of housewife sadly are acting in this case you. 5. The report still read it.
− FireFly,
16 years ago,
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That is, you only need to show the official video box and you are under hypnosis. In the role of a housewife just speak up you are. In the box there are other sources of information. And the testimony that you have the trailer is not the only ones. Whatever they were not crooked, all the talk about the burning plane.
− susanin,
16 years ago,
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What is the official video? Real! Next. Adult man, you know. Well, what can be witnesses to the cloudy sky at 5 am? From force 3 people of the city and all of them in my life have seen looks like a plane near to their lights. These witnesses, at 5 am under the window for someone to kill and they will be hell to remember who was like a criminal.
− FireFly,
16 years ago,
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Dear FireFly. I will not argue with you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DplaDVxalg&;feature=related. As for the witnesses read teron.ru
− susanin,
16 years ago,
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I do not want to upset you, but teron.ru in this topic in circles close to the professional mentioned in the sense close to the anecdotal.
− FireFly,
16 years ago,
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+1
FireFly you can still trust the official version, but many know for certain (and these people are silent for obvious reasons) that a / p Perm preparing for emergency landing board, the band have been tightened fire, ambulance, etc., then a contingency The situation on board yet been and the inadequacy of the FAC's not soshleshsya. This record is full of negotiations with the Pulkovo erunda.Esli 612 was all clear, it was given the record of the speech recorder and cockpit entry talks this trip you will not ever hear (at least in the near future). Well, about the MAC, did not you report must be in any case, nor is this organization in the aviation environment, authoritative, so, for the media.
− ROCK_AVIA,
16 years ago,
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very easy to convict without evidence, authority, MAC, etc., to think that to blame anyone, but we are not that all the pilots - are geniuses, and on the ground all they want in whatever has been written off on them all the blame etc., that there is some global conspiracy - this is very simple. What difference preukrashen this radio communication or not, but the conclusions of the IAC, leave no doubt why prisshedshego. And after the pilot's inadequate behavior within a few tens of minutes, nothing surprising in the fact that the services were preparing for an emergency landing, even if it was. In any case the information the commission had little more than we have with you
− shura-ag,
16 years ago,
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-1
Most of the speakers, along with the witnesses have a program called "High" to go to work. The plane crashed at an angle of almost 45 degrees. And besides land it for 2 seconds before the collision saw (do not forget what time of day, weather conditions, the analysis of emotional states on the graph, the parameters of the administration samapistse). Dofiga 2 seconds nauvodishsya from houses? A? All pilots operating in a firm voice one thing: "These two stupid airplane stuck in the ground and nearly killed dares a lot of lives." However Simmery is smarter, and they have more information!
− tserg,
16 years ago,
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About the disqualification of the aircraft from the houses is the first thing they say zhurnalyugi after any disaster. It's time to get used to. To blunt stick in the ground plane should be a full hammer .... m. And it is this conclusion, IAC. Straight monkey behind the wheel. Drank. Confused the right and left, seeing the American attitude indicator. No automatic traction could not step on the gas. How do they do to the glideslope flown? There is no need for all active pilots say. All current pilots only suppositions. And you have the IAC.
− susanin,
16 years ago,
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When clouds at a height of 200 and rain, to the same 5 in the morning, hardly possible to determine whether or not he was on fire
− anton81,
16 years ago,
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