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Transcript records flight data recorders TU - 154, crashed near Smolensk

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It is a pity that the crew died and the Presidential Guard, and the rest do not mind! NEHERO command a crew, especially in such weather conditions! This is called PRESIDENTIAL AVIATERRORIZM! − AFL336, 16 years ago, #

Zaebest finally can say! 5! − Артемий154М, 15 years ago, #

Pathologists blah − PupOK, 16 years ago, #

thanks − stainass, 16 years ago, #

Thank you for the file on an assessment vozderzhus.Pochemu after actuation signal of the approach of the land they do not become a set? − Санька-заЛЕТЧИК, 16 years ago, #

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because you do not know the principle of this device, especially on landing ... hence your question! and that's why they did not know (forgot not look, do not take into account - please underline) changed the landscape before the runway - it is right question! − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

The right question - why they missed the control of the height and speed reduction? At an altitude of 100m vertical 10m / sec. At a height of 40m is the same crap with cabbage. A change in the landscape - this is for those who fly on PB always and everywhere. − Ру19300, 16 years ago, #

And another question - what was the minimum at FAC on this type, and when he last flew in those conditions? − Ру19300, 16 years ago, #

another about the height ... but about the radio altimeter and a hole in the landscape, of which already bald eaten - again forget? and that the abrupt change in height - this is their way out of the pit and collision with the trees ... − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

Again the reason for the public and vsepoglaschayuschego sracha. Chesslovo, Jam is garbage suffer. Tie, eh? Cho, povypendrivatstsa more Cholet nowhere? Yea finally can someone tries need your fucking argument? YES anyone. Only the person you posratstsa. Fucking simple. − paladdin, 15 years ago, #

What are you still intelligent! :) − serg09, 15 years ago, #

It's part of our great Russian language. I speak with velikopushkinskom style is perfectly capable, but not always there to exude good manners. Especially when you look at these here "arguments" from the side. − paladdin, 15 years ago, #

Maybe you're right, but still ... Need to be a little restrained. ;) − serg09, 15 years ago, #

Oh well, garbage. Only surprises - again someone "minusanul" - to see, cheto pride very much hurt. Yes, I know of. If only povyebyvatstso least somewhere − paladdin, 15 years ago, #

Stamped and not cry, if that is not so. please just answer succinctly and multiply. 1) Why did not respond to repeated reports of a rapprochement with the land? As if they took decoding and simply swap "morsel" tereyn-Ahead. 2) If additional landing, where the resolution? 3) When reading a map lights have been included-released ", and asked the mgr then" turn on the lights. 4) I switched on something does not, and why the decision to take care 2P? 5) And in general why after a hundred meters alone navigator "hear"? 6) What does it mean in the control room team more landing strannyk "120 - 3 meters? 123 meters or something? − BACEK, 15 years ago, #

120-3 meters so we have the head of the landing area Gauvreau crew a breeze on the strip. Ie 120 degrees, 3 meters per second. And then there is no Nitsche. − Slava1983, 15 years ago, #

The second pilot did not decide to withdraw to the second round, it just one of the first saw and understood what would happen fox, therefore, began to scream about it. − Slava1983, 15 years ago, #

1) there is no logical explanation 2) as an example of the crew reported that the band saw - manager gives permission. 3) HZ 4) Termination of the takeoff is the prerogative of the commander, but command a missed approach can give any member of the crew. (Navigator, engineer ...) And here I start (initiate) goes off to the second round of the co-pilot simply must! If ... in general, read the parameters stabilized approach, and so on. 5) and who do you still want to hear? 6) have already been answered. − Палыч, 15 years ago, #

Something in stennogramme not enough. The picture is completely unclear. − Orion2, 15 years ago, #

Thank you. It was as if the cab has visited ... PS: Ah, someone here on the disadvantages fork ... − sergey5993, 16 years ago, #

Although evaluate such things ... − sergey5993, 16 years ago, #

Well, let's assume it is for "thank you" to those who laid out, rather than assessing the most content ... − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

I think just suicide .. to land in such conditions, especially near Smolensk nebilo ILS as well go to the decline in which the ringing alarms and not to take any action not .. it should be so confident in their actions or what? In the talks sounded phrase FAC try to go if you do not get it go away .. this is not a sim .. try again .. will not be enough to an altitude of 100 meters as a warning display shows .. and they stubbornly continue to decline ... just below did not know − nicolae31@ramble, 16 years ago, #

Thanks, Cap! − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

We do not know the truth - a military board. For me so tampered with the negotiations. Stop wash up here ... FAC bad, bad manager ... − Эрник, 16 years ago, #

Another supporter of conspiracy theories?? Well, well ... No one said that they were ill. They simply made a mistake, and the air force does not forgive mistakes. That's it. − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

not. This whole thing wild ruuskih of the country bears. The board blasted a rocket. And those who survived - were shot. And who could not shoot it - eaten alive .. − tserg, 16 years ago, #

dadada! the way it was! − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

confirm, as I saw − aiRoNe, 16 years ago, #

so interesting, it appears on the site so professionals versed in disaster ... unexpectedly even. And where is the "conspiracy theory"? In Russia, has long been "on top" lie, and you all think and believe. Once again I say, the truth will not know − Эрник, 16 years ago, #

Eric - went to you ... by! :) Check out our forum (see link below in the comments) on this topic, tell us what you think of truth must be on a reality .... though we, you see, poumneem. − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

thanks to those who laid .... there is something to think about .... − davidbrayn, 16 years ago, #

Hm .. In Smolensk no ILS App track of altitude on the radar? − erimei, 16 years ago, #

Hmm ... oschyuschenie from reading, that the atmosphere was very calm. Bethought pravak. And the most strange - the dispatcher was silent, that are below the glide path. Not a word about it. Only "a course on glide path." At the coca nafik glide path, if followed below. BI silent, FAC silent. Just completely full-time boarding. − НЕБО, 16 years ago, #

They were above the glide path while flying LOM. − bocman, 15 years ago, #

Weirdly the consciousness prizoshedshego! I wanted to draw attention to the almost complete absence of using foul language and general otmosferu in the cockpit. Speaks much, although the result ... − Костяй, 16 years ago, #

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And what a whore mother? − alshe, 16 years ago, #

Thanks − Nikd4, 16 years ago, #

Thank you, very informative − Mihail Stepanov, 16 years ago, #

Thank you. − KirillS, 16 years ago, #

They clearly stated in 10:39:40,8 "planting an additional 120 meters, it already means that the planting banned until the team manager, and if the team does not follow, board MUST stop with that altitude setting and go to second round - everything is clear as day! − Vladimir_76, 16 years ago, #

Poles are the same on the presidential plane, thought that all they can − Singapore, 16 years ago, #

Singapore - I think our board number 1 on the other? :)))))))))))))))) Or any other board of a number of any country? − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

Not at all, just've never let the Poles bad attitude − Singapore, 16 years ago, #

About the deceased, even indirectly, or good or no? − Vladimir_76, 16 years ago, #

Hitler, too, departed. And Cho? Also "good or does"? I do not do here a parallel between ubivshimisya and Gitletrom. I simply refute this claim. − tserg, 16 years ago, #

5 Author for material.Chitaya, tried to imagine that the pilots and the presence of (allegedly) are outsiders in the cabin of a person experienced a few seconds before the collision with the earth ... this is terrible! All those who died in this terrible catastrophe, the land down ... − wegass, 16 years ago, #

Those who gave all accidents ... This was not terrible the rest. For some reason, the disaster occurred after this world was met with complete peace of mind (as in the case previously). Surely only the death of presidents matter? And worse, when the cause of the tragedy are mistakes of the crew ... − Karadag, 16 years ago, #

Awful - it is what happened in the cabin to collapse a few minutes with 12000 meters Tupolev near Donetsk. There really was terrible .... − tserg, 16 years ago, #

In words, no response to the siren − AceFly, 16 years ago, #

I too would zadumalsya.Vrode Pull up, but they continue to Sunset − citrus-94, 16 years ago, #

I pervyy.Chitayu. − Saprosha, 16 years ago, #

It is written "pervyynah" :-))) − Mihail Stepanov, 16 years ago, #

Not in comments to this file. − VersuS, 16 years ago, #

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well, and where the message manager about what they are below ???!! On that long-lowed?! The crew simply did not read the scheme glide path, and the phrase "the horizon 101 in 10:40:52 is simply no one was needed, if already in 2 seconds before the team was" running out "! ADVANCE can in fact was to remind and warn! Again stupid set of circumstances ... It is a pity. Without evaluation, but zalivshemu - thanks! − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

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One thing I will say nefig during landing in the cockpit to hang out outside! Whoever it was, even though the President himself. − alshe, 16 years ago, #

1 − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

1 − serg09, 16 years ago, #

And the president - more so (nefig hang ")... − Karadag, 16 years ago, #

"... IN ADVANCE possible because it was recalled notify !!!.." And not long ago in the North tested and certified radar CPR? And for a minimum of planting has been certified previously? − Ру19300, 16 years ago, #

Warn, remind ..... A spoonful of porridge "for her mother, a father" in her mouth does not bring? This pilots board № 1. What else they had? And if the communication failure was? They would then never put the aircraft could not? "I wonder how is it the other collars there uhlobuchilis (in this case they are not particularly display shows no resemblance)? Dumb unprofessionalism, plus all sorts of unwanted people in the cab, under the ear bubnyaschie pilots. − tserg, 16 years ago, #

tserg - you are not right at the root! Do not be so! Others sit or until the fog, or went to a spare, if you are in the topic! People were professionals - just the pressure, responsibility and ERROR have done their work - stupid coincidence. All make mistakes, just some mistakes, come into the pool and go on wet, while others are wrong - and a mouthful of earth ... − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

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I want to ask, what do you all think about this inscription: "confidential"? She is there for each of the 40 pages. In the beginning there is also: "... the document is not subject to publication, disclosure and use for purposes other than investigation and prevention of accidents and incidents." Therefore, an assessment I will not put. And write a comment would not. But after reading the transcript, I noticed an interesting fact that for some reason no one else interested in (or rather, I have not seen this information). Perhaps the record flight parameters and it does not confirm, but (WARNING!): 10:40:42,6 navigator: 100.. . .. . . 10:40:48,7 navigator: 100. 10:40:49,6 Navigator: 90.. . . 10:40:50,0 Navigator: 80.. . . 10:40:51,8 Navigator: 60. 10:40:52,3 Navigator: 50.. . . 10:40:53,0 Navigator: 40.. . . 10:40:54,5 Navigator: 30.. . . 10:40:55,2 Navigator: 20. Nothing seems strange? From 42 th to 48 th second (whole 6 seconds!) Height did not change - 100 meters. Then the vertical velocity was zero. And then the plane literally "rained down" - every second of 10 meters! It can not be that FAC consciously began to fall so sharply at that height and not seeing land. What happened then? In my (amateur) point of view on a hundred meters FAC fulfilled alignment, as is usually done before touching. In this case, as is known, the speed drops and the plane falls on the strip. But the strip under the plane was not - it was 100 meters of air. And lost speed airliner began lowering speed of 10 m / sec. It is natural to assume that the main cause of the accident was the loss of speed for those 6 seconds of horizontal flight at an altitude of 100m. Apparently no one on board has not increased traction engines before switching to horizontal flight. Engines moved into take-off mode only leaping 80 meters (perhaps this height and would be enough if the bottom was a smooth surface of the airfield, but there were tall trees). In short, the accident occurred − Karadag, 16 years ago, #

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In short, the accident occurred due to loss of speed at an altitude of 100m. I'm not sure that really made a significant contribution to the investigation of this "accident", but as I could, tried to justify the publication of this document, which "can not be disclosed." − Karadag, 16 years ago, #

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"I want to ask, what do you all think about this inscription:" confidential "?" Do not be disclosed until such time as there is no completed investigation, and declassified. If you do not know, the MAC always puts prints, photos and Explanation on the completion of the investigation, on its website: www.mak.ru. But the secrecy was due to the death of the first persons of another state. As soon as the Poles withdrew secrecy, the document leaked on the net and in the media. Or do you think that all the TV channels News rushed to violate the law? − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

Karadag - well, do not understand, do not write (about privacy and disclosure):))) − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

Word of privacy I have not used. For the news channels I do not answer. If you are not lazy, read page 40 transcripts. You'll see there: "In accordance with the Rules of the investigation of aircraft accidents and incidents involving civil aircraft in the Russian Federation", approved by RF Government Decree of 18 July 1998 № 609, and Annex 13 to the Chicago Convention, ICAO, it should not be published, divulged and use for purposes other than investigation and prevention of accidents and incidents. ". Where is the first person about secrecy and timing? Here about the permissibility of disclosure of only certain purposes. Here, I hope we are doing "the investigation and prevention of ... − Karadag, 16 years ago, #

The document at the time of placement on avsime was officially published on the website of the Polish Government. The Poles decided to remove the secrecy - it is their right. − alshe, 16 years ago, #

We are engaged in idle chatter. You are here about the loss of height are writing ... To which the navigator unit height counts remember?? a scheme of landscaping airfield looked? This topic has nauseam stuffed. There was no loss of height - was nevyderzhivanie glide under the scheme. − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

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Bird is not a plane − armaviaEK, 16 years ago, #

and Armavia - not the airline! − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

Poles we can not decree. We have, however, it is also already been published http://www.infox.ru/infox/Transkrypcja_rozmow_zalogi_samolotu_Tu154_M.pdf probably violate government regulations for better company? In any case, it now does not matter. RAID74, excuse me, perhaps I'm wrong. About the relief, really was something. Do you think that these six seconds, the plane falling parallel lowering relief? It is possible, of course (the scheme of relief to the transcript is not attached). So, it turns out, the crew watched only for the altimeter and other instruments not paying attention? Then, it turns out, this is what cost them their lives. And another 2 seconds, for which the altimeter readings changed from 100 to 80. Starting treatment for 2 seconds before, they may be scrambled. By the way, do not know where you can see with the scheme of the landscape? − Karadag, 16 years ago, #

http://www.mak.ru/russian/investigations/2010/tu-154m_101.html http://www.mak.ru/russian/info/news/2010/files/tu154m_101_pic1.jpg − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

Thank you. − Karadag, 16 years ago, #

http://www.avsim.su/forum/topic/102084-razbilsya-tu-154m-prezidenta-polshi/ - in the middle of the topics were entering the scheme with an indication of alignment scheme of the landscape and much more ... − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

And thank you. − Karadag, 16 years ago, #

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Somewhere slipped that in the moment of collision with the ground speed was 517 km / hour. FOR 300 M TO STRIP! Conclusions about the loss of speed irrelevant. And the speed with which Tupolev should go to land? It is not therefore whether the pilots have always included reverse until it touches the ground the main stand? Watch the video with this fishing rod. They always came in to land with a funky speed. And here it was not an exception to their rules. − Wett, 16 years ago, #

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WETT - dear! "Where it slipped - not an argument. At a speed of 517 in principle they could not go - read the Aeroplane Flight Manual for aircraft! And to flog this crap here, too, do not - not shame, to delete this comment. And with such delusional statements you here: http://www.avsim.su/forum/topic/102084-razbilsya-tu-154m-prezidenta-polshi/ - you just explain what and where you are wrong. − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

Prior to the collision with the ground the pilots managed to convert engines to take-off mode. From this and speed. Simply, there is also inertia. Following the transition of aircraft take-off mode "sags" in the tens of meters. See the discussion of the topic at the forum. Link RAID74 given above. − Karadag, 16 years ago, #

but not 517 km / h!! :) − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

RAID74 Take your delusional comments: ... According to Parulskogo, who heads the Polish commission investigating the disaster, the speed of the aircraft at the time of accident was 150? 180 m / s ... A lope is in kilometers? http://www.infox.ru/accident/incident/2010/04/14/Pilot_Tu_154_oshibsy.phtml − Wett, 16 years ago, #

Wett, on the fence, too, write, and journalists are even better! "He turned on the Fast and the Furious" - journalists know, yeah ... "shaking his aircraft to the right and simultaneously tried to gain altitude with a turn - the plane left wing caught a tree and went into the left bank of the coup ... Article published on April 14 ... Shove yourself so this yellow little article back to where you dig her up .... The plane could not pick up speed with the landing at 280-300 and 540 for a few seconds, but still in the set! Before you argue, would be nice to think of himself head, and not to trust "investigative journalism" − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

c. The first plane crashed into the barrier occurred at a distance of about 1100 meters from the runway to the left of the course of call about 40 meters. In view of the terrain (ravine) and tree height, aircraft height was below the level of the runway threshold of 15 meters. D. The third clash left wing, leading to early destruction of aircraft structure, with a birch trunk diameter of 30-40 cm occurred at a distance of 260 meters from the point of first contact to the left of the extended axis of the strip of 80 meters. E. Time elapsed from the beginning of destruction aircraft structure to the complete destruction of the aircraft fuselage structures for collision with the ground in an inverted position, was about 5-6 seconds. The final destruction of the aircraft occurred at 10 o'clock 41 minutes 06 seconds. − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

Wett - and even more so the plane can not be so easy to dial a speed (540 km / h) in a set with vypuschenynmi flaps (in landing configuration) and with landing gear. So go and read the Aeroplane Flight Manual for the TU-154M, and even better - Fri Learn basic Tu-154 that delusions do not exist:) − RAID74, 16 years ago, #

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I think the FAC believed "044-mu" (the one on the ground was. He gave him the weather, the bottom edge 50, UCI. 400 "), and decreased visual contact with the ground. That's the nizil all on 2 meters in perpetuity. ...... Stubbornness and excessive self-confidence. ...... Stupid death. − IgorStr, 16 years ago, #

A cho, death is "smart"? (Feat A. Matrosov not count) − tserg, 16 years ago, #

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