Aircrush Su-27
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Su-27 disaster 2002 Sknilov This video skim spot without notes! This is not shown on TV! Who wants to can not look! Attention! Not for the faint-hearted, is obscene vocabulary! The disaster occurred at 12:52 Kiev time (13:52 Moscow). Su-27 pilots under the management of Vladimir and Yuri Yegorov Toponarya stunt V«Kosaya loop with turningV». Pilots did not have enough altitude to bring the plane of the decline, he start a tree, then hit the wing of the concrete, and some time to slide along the ground through the airfield filled with spectators. After that he start standing on the airfield IL-76, and began to turn somersaults. At the crash site progremel explosion and there was heavy fire. The pilots ejected after the plane first hit the ground and had to leave before he collapsed and caught fire. Both pilots escaped Record Flight Recorder Su-27 12.43.31. Alert on-board signal (over 5.5 seconds), a decrease on the route to the height specified radio altimeter. 12.43.33. Egorov: "We have a great balance with you. You see?" 12.43.37. Egorov: 6 tons. You see? "12.43.43. Toponar: "Where ...?" 12.43.48 Egorov audience:" I do not know where they are ...". 12.43.49 Toponar: "And, won, I see." Egorov: "... On the right side does not! "12.43.54. Toponar (earth): "performing aerobatics left. Egorov:" Well, let's go ". 12.43.58. (The team from the ground) Yatsyuk: "Left, left." 12.44.14. Egorov: "includes". 12.44.34. Egorov: "Come." 12.44.36. Signal a decline in dangerously high. 12.44.39. Egorov: "barrel". 12.44.44. Egorov: "Enough is enough - the angle." 12.44.51. Voice informer: "Bead 42, the speed limit." 12.44.58. Egorov: "turn." Voice informer: "Bead 42, the limit angle of attack, limiting overload. 12.45.01. (a team from the ground) Yatsyuk: The Turn. "12.45.02. Egorov: "wrest ..." 12.45.05. (a team from the ground) Yatsyuk: "Conclusions." 12.45.07. (a team from the ground) Tretiakov: "The findings add up." 12.45.10. (a team from the ground) Yatsyuk: Forsazh. Voice informer: "The maximum angle of attack, limiting overload. 12.45.11. (a team from the ground) Tretiakov: "Add up". 12.45.18. Stop the recorder. Sentence Court Vladimir Toponar, driving a plane Su-27, was sentenced to 14 years imprisonment and a fine of 7.2 million hryvnia (about 1 million 300 thousand dollars). Yuri Yegorov, co-pilot, was sentenced to 8 years imprisonment and a fine of 2.458 million hryvnia (about 450 thousand dollars). Anatoly Tretyakov, the commander of the 14 th aviakorpusa sentenced to 6 years in prison and ordered to pay 700 thousand hryvnia (about 130 thousand dollars). Yuriy Yatsyuk, deputy head of flight operations, was sentenced to 6 years in prison and payment of 700 thousand hryvnia (about 130 thousand dollars). Anatoly Lukin, chief of safety of 14 th aviakorpusa, was sentenced 4 years in prison suspended and ordered to pay 200 thousand hryvnia (about 35 thousand dollars). Dyubetsky Oleg responsible for training the crew, acquitted due to lack of corpus delicti.
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I will fly off at the 27th time and I want to tell you guys: what they did for Toponarya in principle it is not difficult, but the height at which they worked and the number of beads with which they are included in the figure, it was hard + location visitors really was wrong, and here comes the question: pilots, knowing (and likely dogadyvayas, because believe me, the "work" time and opportunity to look at land not) that that figure will not be able to work out and they kraynyak derganut red pens, and who located the viewer into AREA ?????.... judging by the results of the investigation involved only aerodromschikov, and pilots! NOTE no organizers. Although the location of the audience, they agree with RP. What is not purely here. (((A video - Gestures!
− Fireworker,
14 years ago,
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And here are the views ProFi! So it will end the debate.
− Pachtet,
14 years ago,
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I worked in Lviv (airfield sovmesnogo home Sknilov) air traffic controller. Under the joint leadership took part in the preparation of two air. Training was carried out normal, with the timing of arrival and the aerobatics of all participants. Each crew knew what course of that, where and when the fly. At this time Toponar Egorov from passing over the MK Village. 312 * began to understand that much. As far as I know there was no preliminary training, the fuel cost. With this course, viewers could be just left of the strip, near the exhibition, as Peron is the right terminal. Aviators observed aerobatics noted uncertainties in flight. There was an impression of improvisation. Figure, they finished over aviaremzavodom, with a decline to an exhibition of aircraft and spectators to the course, boarding and reverse right lane meters 150-200. With regard to fault, I can not judge individuals, but to decide the flight commander. If I am sure that the course is ready. Holocaust itself has not seen, only the smoke from the explosion after the fall (I live nearby). Later, with his friends witnessed drank vodka. The eternal memory of those who died!
− optymus,
14 years ago,
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+13
5
Stolzing. And you actually met the pilots shoot? They are not snotty yuntsy Colonel Toponar pilot test eksta class! Such as it is only 18 people in the world (77ANGELOV), and if he kill the SU-27 on the primitive (for its level) speech, then this must be good reasons. And now imagine, there was an aircraft accident, no casualties - the crew received a compression fracture of the spine. You become, to shoot them?? Do-It! But after the tragedy of those violating the international placement of spectators at air show, and who has sent a plane to twist loops over their heads - to be at least long kicked and put a long time. Just go with the first superelevation pilots noticed that the audience is not where indicated in the map. (Toponar): - Where is the audience? (Egorov): - I do not know where they are! (Toponar): - On the right side does not! The pilots knew that the audience must be right and the "cool" they should be left - expect the team from the ground. Toponar sought land - how to proceed in this situation: (Toponar): left-performing aerobatics (manager): left, left! Yatsyuk and Tretiakov guided flight. And pilots who izovseh forces tried to extract the plane - a scapegoat. Then: 1. At the last minute before the flight - the organizers of the show was replaced by a plane. 2. Unlike training aircraft, the Su-27 was zapravlen "under the string" 3. The aircraft left engine went out late in the afterburner mode, and that the predetermined tragedy and created a left tilt. 4. Why am I suffering crash penetrate stabilizer wing? (77 angels) Why is not there a desire to shoot - who podsunul at the last moment (with the intent or not) the crew hard NOT good plane? WHY DO NOT WORKED FOR AIRCRAFT SYSTEM LIMIT REGIMES? WHY THE CREW did not know? What an Unidentified Objects crossing rate goes from the peak of a fighter? LET'S Stolzing shot pilots - they R±R»SЏ terrorists and to the families home, they do not like!
− dinsoft,
14 years ago,
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ASSESSMENT Postavy PILOT! YES!
− dinsoft,
14 years ago,
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+1
You said it all correct, except for one. Why should they have seen where the audience, or even did not see where they would be at such a low altitude (100 m) downward twist barrel. Here's a question, because the issue. Even if a second engine went out on Forsazh time in carrying out such a maneuver, they could go to climb in the Drawdown at least 5-20 meters. And it is dangerous to anyone. So aerobatics are not based on such events in principle. What twist??? You can write anything here, give advice, to show their knowledge of the hyper, but it's not my rules. Just why the reduction in the high even begin to do keg? So lost spatial orientation. So if there is no confidence, why start a maneuver?
− isc,
14 years ago,
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+1
You are about pilot TsAGI (class) Blagina heard? He is dead, but no doubt that otherwise would ogreb on higher ... And no need to share about bonded scapegoats. I understand that if you are the pilot, it will know how to make a decision and say "no." Send-adjusted - have passed, if the gap see the situation map. For lack of a better pre-determined decision to screen out and not to let fly at the show. But if the PE, it is useful and show drastic measures. You can remember anything about the flight weight engine and artifacts in the sky, but the responsibility of the pilots and the ground is not zamazhesh. Yes, was referring to the perpetrators, not just pilots. Sorry for the harshness with respect only to them.
− Stolzing,
14 years ago,
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+6
In such situtsiyah better than surviving crew
− Владимир Пахомов,
14 years ago,
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Only that the bus was traveling in and discussed it with the guys, the crew should not shoot on their land and plant will be very long, say about them bad words.
− Tu134,
14 years ago,
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isc After the second figure "barrels" height of the Su-27 is more than enough. The fact that you have in mind is called "Kosaya loop", at the outlet from which the altitude is 200 meters and the plane started to lose altitude. The system of limiting cases of aircraft which was to prevent the exit plane for the critical angles of attack on the plane did not work. I want to point out that the "program" was not just rehearse, RЅRµR±S‹R»Rѕ anything new and unusual in it for an experienced crew. And what if, to the audience RЅRµR±S‹R»Rѕ where for security reasons they simply should not be, but still would cost just beautiful "drying." And, if all of the aircraft were correctly, then the crash would RЅRµR±S‹R»Rѕ. And if the Air Force pilot, would be listened to and treated not as a slave, such situations have been, would be impossible.
− dinsoft,
14 years ago,
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WHAT AS PUNISHMENT Pilots - they have already been a most terrible PUNISHMENT. PUNISHMENT TO LIVE WITH THIS FLIGHT AND THIS LIABILITY FOR ALL the innocent victims! ETERNAL MEMORY OF THEM!
− dinsoft,
14 years ago,
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dinsoft I am not an expert on the Su-27 and its systems. I do not have to. I think, and 200 meters of people is not enough. Can I do aerobatics screw over people on the Heights. The loop or not loop, fault plane or not. The question is not so. I think this is hard to disagree.
− isc,
14 years ago,
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Agree 100%. 8 years ago I was in Nizhny Tagil, I am told the event - I was in shock. In the 93 year on May 9, Air Yak-52 fell on the area with the audience in the city - 20 people died. Many were seriously wounded. While razdolbai planning such events and do not realize that the plane with all its beauty is a source of increased danger, such incidents will continue. At maybe not such a roll. Too expensive payoff for a holiday spectacular, and have to pay ordinary people have lost their loved ones. Can I say sedition, but the lives of ordinary people have no cost.
− dinsoft,
14 years ago,
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+11
5
Yes, it is scary to watch, but it is - the truth in a very unattractive, but the pure truth! And it must publish, hot and heavy. Aviation - this is always a risk, it is always a LIABILITY. Aviation - this is not for the faint-hearted and not for razdolbaev. Some of these pictures time to stop, someone - mobilize. A child on the site - it is not just children, are people who shaped his life, because a cold shower would be only beneficial. Random - going, and it was good. I have 39 years in aviation, has participated in many investigations, not just visited, and in redesign, buried friends. So, too, believe I know what I say.
− belik,
14 years ago,
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Completely agree! Thank you.
− Ptero,
14 years ago,
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http://www.avsim.su/forum/index.php?showtopic=78404&;st=0 you do not know what you say! Watch this might have, but not the visitors of the site sometimes, and 12 years, no !!!!!
− RAID74,
14 years ago,
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"A child on the site - it is not just children, are people who shaped his life, because a cold shower will only benefit them." What a nonsense! In the 11-12let define life? But ssadizm and cruelty of such videos can be easily developed.
− KirillS,
14 years ago,
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Hardly, I think in a lot of children from avsime 10do 15 years, but even if there is such visitor, then this principle will not prevent them to see and draw conclusions that the crash in Sime - this is nonsense, and one mistake in life can kill not just themselves. I am even sure that the pilots of SU pity that not burned together with air. substantially their condition, especially lands in a rescue chair next to the slaughter of innocent for them
− mega1,
14 years ago,
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How easily you are told about children. You have forgotten how, when you were 10. The child perceives this world quite differently and not as adults. The children at these or any other location is the only children. They can not be beat, they can not shout, they can not be all show and tell. And who as adults are not aware of. It is easier to pass than to try to understand and help, it is easier to unsubscribe than to see the problem, nothing is easier to see. And: Aviation is not always a risk, make and follow rules, work as taught and the problems will not arise. Usually the main problem in the aviation industry is the human factor. And in this situation, by the way, he was in the first place.
− isc,
14 years ago,
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+11
Video old. See, even I will not. I think blasphemy once again admire the mutilated bodies of people.
− Sanya2009,
14 years ago,
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+100 ((
− KirillS,
14 years ago,
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We have such a blasphemy at work several times a month is going on. "Analysis of occupational accidents on the railways" is called. Our heads of deviants? And we, too?
− tserg,
14 years ago,
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you at work! and we - no!
− RAID74,
14 years ago,
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Agree! But to draw attention in a section of the video are.
− tserg,
14 years ago,
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For the faint-hearted does not include himself in sudmedekspertize for 10 years - has seen so many corpses, but to see how people are dying is even difficult for me to show. These videos let the Special Commission study. A deviants who spytyvayut pleasure of the type oshmetkov may such clips and other resources easily find!
− KirillS,
14 years ago,
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+10
5
Assessment did not put the file, and not the author, as opposed to all those who ponatykal unit. What a snot divorced? Go to section video "Holocaust" doldzhny you know and understand that any aircraft crash leads to death. The site is now under "catastrophe" video 75. Most of them - this is the death of someone. Or not go, if it is contrary to your moral principles, or psyche, or do not need such screams. Or let the entire section "Holocaust" ponatykaem unit.
− tserg,
14 years ago,
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+1
Yes, I agree with you about the video
− Владимир Пахомов,
14 years ago,
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Dear tserg! Catastrophes are different. That lifted here - the most terrible of all that I ever saw in my life. G * vna missing and the TV, so why compare, giving the opportunity to watch a children? When your mother in childhood, saying "Remove the" where erotic scenes on TV shows - you turned away? Therefore that you should be aware that although a minimum of censorship should be! Do you or do not have children, RyoRІS‹ you're too young to understand the capital of truth! I agree with the decision of the Administration to write a warning before the file in red, and delete online viewing. Period.
− RAID74,
14 years ago,
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+1
Tserg you or pervert or never saw death and did not know her smell. I am a surgeon with great experience, seen in the lives of many. I watched less than 1 minute - remove. I have two sons. The video for the investigative team. MODERATOR - Avsim.su - not NTV Removes !!!!!!!
− sakevichrus,
14 years ago,
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http://www.avsim.su/forum/index.php?showtopic=78404&;st=0 - vote!
− RAID74,
14 years ago,
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Tserg you or pervert or never saw death and did not know her smell. I am a surgeon with great experience, seen in the lives of many. I watched less than 1 minute - remove. I have two sons. The video for the investigative team. MODERATOR - Avsim.su - not NTV Removes !!!!!!!
− sakevichrus,
14 years ago,
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-1
Tserg you or pervert or never saw death and did not know her smell. I am a surgeon with great experience, seen in the lives of many. I watched less than 1 minute - remove. I have two sons. The video for the investigative team. MODERATOR - Avsim.su - not NTV Removes !!!!!!!
− sakevichrus,
14 years ago,
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Dear sakevichrus, You zaela keyboard? Or do you think that by writing to me 3 times, I hear you more? You have seen death, and you know what led negligence, reckless and golovotyapstvo. So it is necessary that others too may know. For example, in violation of the Rules of flight are given to different things, and in particular to the meat, too. To understand what can make balls. As to the children - I said. Children have nothing to do in the video section: "Holocaust." What do you have except the death and iron iskorezhennogo can see in this section? And with that, the file was given a complete description. Why pump?
− tserg,
14 years ago,
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+8
5
From the red and white wrote the accompanying text. For those guys? For those who are spilled all their emotions? It was written just for you - do not look! The effect turned out - to the contrary and, apparently, the color red has worked as a "bull." Unfortunately, the aircraft - is not only a beautiful flight, guys. If so, no matter how terrible the video is, it has the right to be ... So let us too severely condemned M. Rooma's "Ordinary Fascism" and many similar shots heavy chronicles not only the military ...
− Vikfis,
14 years ago,
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+2
Completely agree, if you who comes to a page where pictures of catastrophes, it means you are interested, you're interested, the occurrence of such tragedies, and you saw the ugly truth and amazed, horrified, not only can these personnel, but also from his interest in this kind of thing! Personally, I had commented on this video, to abandon the view, do not want to, as they say do not look, we do not have to!
− Henker,
14 years ago,
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+2
"How to" come and "that" after the remains - two very different things. To discuss the LP it was enough to put the recording directly to a fall from record KZA, rather than pieces of human bodies on the floor, screen and puddles of blood.
− ru_19_300,
14 years ago,
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ru_19_300 - that, and it! It would cut the video, with censorship, no speech would not say ....
− RAID74,
14 years ago,
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+7
All those who wanted it a long time seen. Estimates of what is not.
− NoFL,
14 years ago,
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+5
I have to watch this video, but in professional courses - where trained or improve skills of people working in the industry. But here the range of visitors, both age and outlook on a wide and patchy. To some this may cause injury, and extra gossip is not needed. And yet - to frame death, and whether these people want, that their deaths were captured and shown here and discussed, and peretiralas anything. Give them and their deep condolences to the relatives. It is also only have to look at the aircraft, but could someone with dreams of heaven. The eternal memory of the deceased.
− isc,
14 years ago,
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I agree completely.
− КурсМП,
14 years ago,
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+5
Score is not set. It has long been to me got this video, not even thought to spread. Do we have it?
− Mihail Stepanov,
14 years ago,
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1) Someone has not seen it. 2) It should be. Aviation - the case of adults (as opposed to aviamodelizma, which may participate, and children). And responsibility in dealing with it can be grown. And to know what could be a liability, and thus lead to negligence and arrogance - and now you want this video. To not only know but also saw to the end and realized what the consequences might be.
− tserg,
14 years ago,
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Watch you'll need, but on professional courses - where trained or improve skills of people working in the industry. But here the range of visitors, both age and outlook on a wide and patchy. To some this may cause injury, and extra gossip is not needed. And yet - to frame death, and whether these people want, that their deaths were captured and shown here and discussed, and peretiralas anything. Give them and their deep condolences to the relatives. It is also only have to look at the aircraft, but could someone with dreams of heaven. The eternal memory of the deceased.
− isc,
14 years ago,
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+3
The pilots climbed into a stranger on the nature of the car with over fuel and began to perform maneuvers on the ground that does not match the scheme. Question. When the civilian driver 320 will be asked to replace a pilot with the V737, filled less fuel and give into the hands of the scheme at 10 years old and he will agree to maintain prestige, and because of unwillingness to remain without work, who would blame? Airlines, or is it the pilot? "You have to understand that the pilot - it is not tykatel buttons and rotary wheel. It is prepared by a specialist, the decision-making responsibility that is life.
− ATSA,
13 years ago,
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agree on 100%
− pro100gamer,
13 years ago,
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100% agree, too
− q4dez,
12 years ago,
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+2
5
And how many real pilots, from those who have expressed here? And how do they know aerobatics on this type of aircraft? May be enough to build from a PROS, on games like "Flanker" and "Flight Simulator 2004! And what is laid out, this is a warning to all who goes to those Airshow - Air Force does not necessarily imply a normal landing, or the execution of aerobatic maneuvers. And it showed that pieces of bodies ... the ones who wrote that one should not spread it, just like an ostrich hiding its head in pesok.Svoi nerves are more expensive type let others spoil them, clean pieces of bodies with stripes or taxiing, or as in my work, "clew" with axles of the locomotive. The fault lies not pilots, they did everything they could, and those who conceived, planned and plan this airshow.
− SVA-CARGO,
12 years ago,
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+2
5
Who should look. And the people in uniform have already heard the threat.
− Antoha154b1,
14 years ago,
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+1
On the face of a gross error of piloting! There is nothing even to discuss, in the whole incident to blame only the crew but it was he who held the handle of a fighter! And how about the audience were located, and that we have the top crew did not see anything or something. And if they do not even have to first understand where the audience, then what else can you say. And then built a maneuver so that exactly those same viewers and got ... RїRyoRїRµS† no words some emotions. This is not professionalism, coupled with raspizdyaystvom! So, let sit and think now ...
− KBC,
14 years ago,
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+1
Pilots to blame for non-compliance of heights and speeds! Even when the Italians on a collision course razmozhzhilis and spectators flew the remains of the aircraft it was decided to fly out of the audience! "That's where legs grow! Who approved the flight pattern of the aircraft ?!!!! Who does not tested again and again to the route, the possible landing zone when the first engine failure?? All of these generals is quite a good feeling. Who approved the height of performance pieces at extremely low altitudes? Who prokontrolil weather conditions match the assignment? "That's all these managers should sit! Why only airmen charged?
− nso64,
14 years ago,
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Toponar and Tretyakov! You remain pilots!! Himself in these dashing for someone, and Abramovich, for example, give a shit even Putin. Digressed, sorry. So, guys, you fellows! Simply career, an apartment, the children in school. What kind of move from Ukraine?? You were to serve Ukraine. Not the one that proclaimed, but the one that a few years otgorala in our soul! "Guys, you have condemned the court. Do not argue! You broke a lot, piloting. In fairness I do not want to talk. Hold on, guys! With you Lord!
− nso64,
14 years ago,
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+1
Nothing should be removed, the video once again to show that those who control the means of increased danger in the response of those who are near and in heaven and on earth. Here on the site and start with a wealth of experience pilots, once to see this video, think before, for good or Finta frame, risking lives. But the moral aspect of the video will not even discuss.
− kemjet,
14 years ago,
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and yet you have children, but not a "novice pilots"
− RAID74,
14 years ago,
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+1
MODERATOR! WHERE TO LOOK - delete, and children are watching, at least on this site filter. It is clear that a catastrophe, who you had already watched where this form is sufficient Nahre here on this site! Now they refer to the section of the catastrophe, why spoil GOODWILL SITE! Those who once saw something myself - would not have put forth.
− Simpsn,
14 years ago,
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http://www.avsim.su/forum/index.php?showtopic=78404&;st=0
− RAID74,
14 years ago,
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+1
1
Remove this Nahre here !!!!!!!!!! At the growing daughter, and father bowed to the mutilated child hit a long memory. Those who want to see MEAT can do so in any other place, but not on the site about FLIGHT SIMULATORS !!!!!!! Bante my life, but is not THIS PLACE !!!!!!!!
− StasD,
14 years ago,
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This section of the video "the crash". Choose other sections of the video, if you are nepryatno.
− tserg,
14 years ago,
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You know, I myself watched from the fifth to tenth, omitting many details (I think any normal person would not look "meat") Here is a question of responsibility for violent behavior. Compared with the same aerobatics Korogodin and Swiss manager - the heroes and victims of compelling circumstances. In Sknilove pilots "worked" is not worse than the Chechen terrorists in the two known sides. If you are over 14 years and found its Calo, do not be surprised, and at least understand it. Sorry for the harshness.
− Stolzing,
14 years ago,
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StasD Are you sick or what? Holocaust put an assessment.
− George666,
14 years ago,
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Было голосование и большинство(как и я) проголосовало за ОСТАВИТЬ ФАЙЛ ТУТ! Так что...не смотрите! А будете бомбить - я ещё мяса накидаю!
− ZorgsteinKilloo,
5 years ago,
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Ой плять это ужас, я из тех самых слабонервных, как мужик пошел по полю , замылил зрение и не зря видимо, один хрен плохо стало от одной только мысли что там было. Боже упокой их души. Жуть
− Bastler,
5 years ago,
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Считаю. Что если бы организаторы авиашоу убрали колючую проволку и район и высоту выступления сделали бы в стороне на безопасном расстоянии от людей ... То жертв было бы гораздо меньше ... Или бы не было вовсе ...
− FlightSA-214,
9 years ago,
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Действительно уникальные кадры. Оценка ролика -5. (Моральная сторона не учитывается). На просмотре видно что летчики катапультировались с земли и после столкновения. Ошибка пилотирования налицо, остальное без комментариев.
− Борт174,
12 years ago,
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Hmm. well, here discussing the pilots ... If they are not ejected and died - just would have been different to say ...
− q4dez,
12 years ago,
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Once again, the decision to take flight crew commander. After that he takes full responsibility for the flight and its outcome. Organizers and leaders should be responsible for the organization. In short, for all those guys Sknyliv should get to complete. With regard to the very case: Lions for such maneuvers is extremely inconvenient. The airfield has organized the Austrians, since he certainly has grown (and continue to grow) and is surrounded by the city on the one hand, the village Sknyliv the other, and the end of the bridge at all VPP13 car rests. At one time, because of the bridge landing glide slope with the MC 132 "was 3grad.20min. Directly on the end zone safety (100 meters from the end), a railway line - on her goryuchku the airport in tanks carry. At the start of a Manager, direct telephone line with g Dr. colleague and switch traffic to the engine. Closely for aerobatics, it is dangerous, which do not fall. Training maneuvers were not carried out, and flying out there in terms of safety twist in fact nowhere - Peron with air terminal with one hand, the parking lot where exhibition was held and viewers are - on the other. In the end face, where they began to shape them, too, not under a vacant lot, trust me on the floor. Toponar with Yegorov catapulted over the aircraft repair plant, there are Migara's Mother in a row and shop. So to twist a pretzel in Lviv nowhere. If pilots and Organizers do not take into accout - definitely criminals!
− optymus,
12 years ago,
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There are well received by about 10 years ... I'm sorry for all ... (I am for dead)
− q4dez,
12 years ago,
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Mda, Tin ....
− yums,
12 years ago,
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"Online viewing is closed." Very open
− AlexiZ,
12 years ago,
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Horror! So many people: children, adolescents, women and men! For what? Why? Eternal memory to the victims.
− Ил-76,
13 years ago,
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Not rated. Land down ... by the way, do not hurt to add that the pilots after the suicide finished .....
− madara-exgta,
13 years ago,
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Toponar and Yegorov? Suicide? Bullshit!
− Kostyan85,
13 years ago,
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hence, mixed with something ... it remains to recall with what ..
− madara-exgta,
13 years ago,
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With Director JAL, after falling 747 of his company. Samurai traditions ... We would not have prevented ...
− Волча,
13 years ago,
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+5
Something not seen their traditions against the backdrop of Fukushima ...
− Mitch,
13 years ago,
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Not rated. What kind of score here? For the death of people? Why such a spread? Why pilots did not shoot? Lord of the horror I had not seen. I regret that I looked. Please moderator delete this video to hell!
− Артемий154М,
13 years ago,
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Not the first time I've seen, but still - "pi * Deetz. Sorry for the people, especially anyone living has just begun.
− Vasiliy_M,
13 years ago,
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Is the film "77 angels". This scribe. Little girls who Nichrome do not understand, they say on camera what they were wise up grandma ... "the pilots jumped out of the plane and escaped ...". Pilots blamed even in the fact that they have committed a deliberate terrorist attack. Simply scribe ... Why aircraft replaced before the show?? Why is it refueled podzavyazku, why the system did not work limiting regimes ... why ... why ... Just have someone to answer this question. Yes, the mountain people who have lost parents, children, grandchildren, etc. immensely, but the air show - it is always new technology, it is always aerobatics, it is regular plane crash and the happiness of the organizers - if no victims. I went to the airshow - be ready for anything, including to such ... Dragged there children and grandchildren - be ready for this ... And in general - just the fate of ...
− Gennn,
14 years ago,
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+1
Oh right, the audience themselves thrashed! Nefig at the airshow walk aviaschou is not for the audience, right? And pilots are not to blame, could not they at one hundred meters above the fly and there vypendryatsya!
− DrSnake,
14 years ago,
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+1
Flying the plane - the source, to put it mildly elevated risk. Want to see it close - you go and look. And it is your decision. God forbid, if Borowski ... Yield-Use such a fool as the Tu-144 and unruly collapse at the crowd, here eighty dead not get off. All-Well will be the last to stand with their mouths open and watch the fall. Pilots Su did not leave the plane in case of stall, and tried to pull the last unmanageable car. Catapults carried them for a moment before the blast straight from the Il76 and wonder about the pilots had not smeared. Yes, now you can ask - why are they the car for the forest dropped it?? For action - second, moments ... So at that point was made the only right decision - to try to save the car. And the audience does not judge the correctness of the decision taken by the pilot in this situation. A bear delirium, which are in the "77 angels" - is simply to press for human compassion. What RЅR°S…SЂRµRЅ comparison with Beslan, which RЅR°S…SЂRµRЅ "customers and performers, what the hell a" pre-conceived the atrocious crime "...
− Gennn,
14 years ago,
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Wow, so they are directly heroes! They do not judge, and reward it was necessary. A general Toponar superman, a real man. Egorov, dweeb, whine - "Vova, let's not why we go there ?.... We have a great balance with you. Do you understand? ... ... 6 tons. Do you understand?" A Toponar him - "Where the audience on x ..?" That's so cool macho!
− DrSnake,
14 years ago,
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This is a fashion such that pilots all the blame? Of course, everyone benefits. In addition to the pilots ...
− LainerRRW,
14 years ago,
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Indeed, what have pilots? Not the same airplane pilots managed!
− DrSnake,
14 years ago,
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You watched the film? Did you hear what they are accused? Have you heard what they gon weave?? Terrorists planned to have put the plane on the crowd .... And here the heroes are not heroes ... I do not know. Investigate such incidents must be serious. And the causes of the disaster, but an oversight pilots, there was found to nemeryannom-that-be at the following shows this has not happened.
− Gennn,
14 years ago,
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And about "dweeb ".... Anyone for a little slabzhe spirit, this has not made and finished, would with me.
− Gennn,
14 years ago,
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-1
Poslabzhe spirit would not have risked doing this. It is better to be piloted Egorov, and Toponar would generally sat on the grass. That I do not judge it on film, but by negotiations.
− DrSnake,
14 years ago,
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The most interesting is that the spectators were in the danger zone, and about the organizers of the court, not words, so we have a very fair trial in the world ...
− Stakan,
14 years ago,
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Many years ago, friend went to the car races with his son. Winter. Stood on the snow. Machine, tumbling!, Flew out to people. The boy - a cripple. Nobody blamed the driver did not. Nobody did not put the organizers ... This is true to the word.
− Gennn,
14 years ago,
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Spectators in the danger zone? We read talks: 12.43.43. Toponar: "Where the audience on x ..?" 12.43.48. Egorov: "I do not know where they are bl ..." 12.43.49. Toponar: "But, look, I see." Egorov: "... your mother ...! On the right side, no! "12.43.54. Toponar (land): "Piloting left fulfill". - Ie Toponar deliberately sent the plane toward the audience. Here's what they were in "danger zone".
− DrSnake,
14 years ago,
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"12.43.54. Toponar (land):" Piloting left fulfill ". - Ie Toponar deliberately sent the plane toward the audience" --- read on: a team from the ground, "left, left. Since then sent towards the RP audience?? On the right was the city, if that. Okay ... What mytut argue .... Just me, the film actor's infuriated his suffering.
− Gennn,
14 years ago,
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The team from the ground - it Yatsuk, who also sat down. A "documentary" films with snot, I do not watch, because not a masochist.
− DrSnake,
14 years ago,
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That is, the confirmation bias loop to the left, it was with zemli.A RP-have RP.Vina pilots? Doubt, but not so much their vina.Reshenie in the air it takes komandir.On prinyal.Drugoy question: Who is happy with commerce and crowds of people walking in the area aerobatics at PMA? That had to be at full speed! work these guys I saw a year or two earlier, at the City Day in Feodosii.Duh exciting! But then fly zone was assigned to sea. And see everything, and all are safe! And then, think the same is not!
− Олейников,
12 years ago,
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"The audience was there where not allowed" - an idiotic argument. Land was also where not supposed to? Needless to justify the pilots, got what they deserved - it is they and only they owned the situation.
− DrSnake,
14 years ago,
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And all this is about emanated seconds. I noticed how many children were killed ... And dismembered bit by bit ... And the location of the audience very rough! Organizers ...
− serg09,
14 years ago,
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Accidents are not accidental, it is a hint to all who are still living, life is short and death is inevitable. But life is given to each to make 1 the most important step after which life does not stop
− sam138,
14 years ago,
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Guys! This section of catastrophes, and in my opinion put estimates for video and still argue about it ... well, at least not very correctly
− Artemondegiess,
14 years ago,
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Careers sobering, long seen now is not looking. And at the expense of watching or not watching, I think the psychological can answer reliably. But I got a compilation RєR°RєS‚Rѕ car and when driving segda remember that may be.
− a.velocity,
14 years ago,
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The normal pilot test-class disaster would prevent. He should feel the car. Though even she is overloaded and malfunction. Let it be the land of the deceased rest in peace.
− штурмовик,
14 years ago,
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as if there are not fought, verbally, at avsime, those who died so, to put it mildly, terrible way people will not return. Having looked at these pictures, you begin to wonder, because their location could be me. The kingdom of heaven, and let them land, they will be down.
− Faust,
14 years ago,
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Yes, the stuff of documentary - this is true ... But it is not worthwhile to put them on this site. Is it, definitely need to look at the mutilated body to feel pain from the tragedy occurred?
− Clean Sky,
14 years ago,
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Why it was necessary to remove it?
− pulkovo2,
14 years ago,
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not put the question! Why it was put out here?? Ciak need it! Both tapes were reviewed by experts in the investigation of criminal cases and have helped the investigation. Plus, I do not think that people snyavshie is in shock hesitate - shoot or not ... http://www.avsim.su/forum/index.php?showtopic=78404&;st=0 vote on the disposal or abandonment of the video on the site.
− RAID74,
14 years ago,
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"Attention! Not for the faint-hearted, is obscene vocabulary!" RњR»SЏ, I ahtunge! Author, do you consider obscene language will have a greater impact on people with weak nerves, as frames raschlenenkoy? Why this farce here and fill relish then? Gentlemen, you have little NTV? Topic heading, but at least some moral principles should be? You think, if the relatives of those killed here when people randomly stop, and then tries .. Five pose - as the cover .. but the meat! (((In his life and so much crap, what else?
− KirillS,
14 years ago,
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Why chose that SЃRјR°RєSѓSЋS‚? I first saw and read this in a well-known book, and there was no desire to not only relish but also watch many shots (scroll through the file after the fall of the first and remains) Then write a different story. Actually, this is the theme for the forum. You are right that the debate in the "evaluation" is incorrect
− Stolzing,
14 years ago,
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Thank God, though KirillS was attributable to a person, understand what is interpreted by those who are against this video! Http://www.avsim.su/forum/index.php?showtopic=78404&;st=0
− RAID74,
14 years ago,
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I think in general it is necessary to cancel the assessment in section DISASTER!
− mega1,
14 years ago,
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long overdue.
− KirillS,
14 years ago,
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You are human just ohreneli is here to spread! Here, the children here!
− AceFly,
14 years ago,
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+1
http://www.avsim.su/forum/index.php?showtopic=78404&;st=0 Vote!
− RAID74,
14 years ago,
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Why repeat, there is such a file. 77 angels named. Who wants to see the look, do not make copies of the evils
− nagirny_vladimir,
14 years ago,
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Also true.
− duna,
14 years ago,
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Which of the assessment of meat narubku? Crash is krash.Ne God in a batch ...
− duna,
14 years ago,
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I PPC men even before the end was unable to watch ...... the horror, the full horror.
− kasser17,
14 years ago,
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it is not yet complete
− Ivan_SS,
14 years ago,
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horror (people feel sorry for (
− klakson,
14 years ago,
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Oh ... that is ... your ..... !!!!!!!!
− Pucher,
14 years ago,
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77 angels. The kingdom of heaven! Very mournfully looking at the death of children! Sorry God, but pilots need tractors to break ...
− anders,
14 years ago,
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Yes, and not just pilots ... This is our society! No organization, no-flight safety, timetable *** yskoe attitude organizers, pilots, etc. PS And for the better and not particularly moving ... (this is for the future)
− 379,
14 years ago,
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I do not understand how the children were there ????????
− Kakashi,
14 years ago,
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Scary stuff .... but they show the reality of the organization .... no ... no help ... all as always - the panic, confusion and pofigizm to each other (about thorn first heard ... a nightmare)
− KazAirDan,
14 years ago,
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The horror ... The eternal memory ... The kingdom of heaven to all those who died ...
− Lenze,
14 years ago,
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My God .... the horror
− F.C.M.K,
14 years ago,
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horror of what
− mega1,
14 years ago,
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